Keep in mind that running BGP and having the full BGP table can be 2 separate things. You generally want all your routing boxes to run BGP, as you’d usually have customer nets and ptp nets ( if you want them ) in it. For everything else, a default ( or multiple defaults, depending on your topology ) should suffice. If you want to be scalable, you’ll design your IGP so that it only carries your loopbacks ( incidentally, those are the only addresses you probably want to label if you’re using LDP ).

Lately, there have been a few designs that offer extreme scalability, based on rfc3107 ( bgp-lu ) , but I’ve yet to hear of anyone actually implementing them . You can find cisco’s flavor here ( http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/multiprotocol-label-switching-mpls/mpls/116127-configure-technology-00.html ) or a relevant draft here ( https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mpls-07 )

My thoughts and words are my own.

Kind Regards,

Spyros

—–Original Message—–
From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Mark Tinka
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:10 AM
To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Cc: Wes Smith
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] I-BGP/IGP question

On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 06:55:40 AM Wes Smith wrote:

> I’ve often wondered how large ISPs handle some basic IGP design issues
> re routing between I-BGP nodes in the network. For example ..  assume
> two BGP routers connected over a backbone running some kind of IGP
> I-BGP uses the local IGP to route to other I-BGP nodes within the
> ASThe I-BGP next-hop address is the Egress I-BGP node (normally) or
> the IBPG peer loopbackBest practice says to keep the IGP small, for
> example just the I-BGP loopbacks So a potential routing table entry in
> router
> BGP1 would be something like Rtr BGP1 can reach
> ‘8.8.8.8/32 via 10.10.10.10, where 10.10.10.10 is router BGP-2s
> loopback address and BGP-2 is the egress router So far so good. .. I
> understand all this part.  But my puzzle is .. for this to work, the
> IGP would also need
> to have a route for 8.8.8.8.   so it can route it to my
> other IBGP router at 10.10.10.10But my IGP doesn’t have a route for
> 8.8.8.8 as I don’t redistribute BGP into IGPSo catch-22 . I’ve
> resolved this internally using tunnels between my I-BGP routers and
> using
> next-hop-self. But I’m pretty small scale ..   How do
> larger organisations do it? I’m guessing MPLS TE or other tunnels
> between the POPs .. but would like to hear from some folks that have
> done it.Thanks WS (apologies for any dups..)

First, use NEXT_HOP=self; it’s good practice.

Your iBGP speakers will have 8.8.8.8/32 via 10.10.10.10 as an entry, for example.

Your router will then do a look-up for how to get to 10.10.10.10. It will see that this is known via the IGP (IS- IS, OSPF, Static, e.t.c.), which will have an exit interface (TenGigabitEthernet0/2, for example) toward the next-hop (10.10.10.20, for example).

And so it goes until the packet gets to 10.10.10.10.

It really is that simple.

Mark.

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